also hey stop fucking being uncomfortable when you see homeless people, either irl or on your tl idc: you think we can't tell but we can, especially because some of us were there once, looking at these conversations and feeling that same discomfort and thinking that could never be us. you can't help because you are in poverty? that's fine! we wish you all the luck in the world! talk to us instead. the isolation is what kills half the time. you don't have to be spitting out money to help the homeless. giving them hope and the mental strength to go on is just as, if not more important. stop averting your eyes because of "guilt". it's not even guilt. it's that capitalism made you want to hate us, want to shun us and pretend like we're not there. capitalism HATES for you to acknowledge us, because we are proof of its failure. so if you are anti-cap, don't look away.
@nic while I agree with this, it is hard to not be uncomfortable around homeless people on the streets in the UK from personal experience. I have been harassed, attacked and threatened by them before if I ignore them or politely tell them I don't have any money on hand.
@nic There have been the occasional nice ones that I have stopped by and had a long conversation with and wished them the best for the future, and those ones have been pleasant and I have a warm heart for them, but there are also others who resort to un-necessary curse-words, and they do not deserve my attention because it's not welcoming at all.
@Violet i understand where you are coming from, and i am sorry that happened to you. no one has any excuse to harass or attack another, no matter what their situation is. hopefully though you can also understand why this comment also stings in a way. i know that no two groups can be equivalent since they all have their differences, so I don't say this to insult you because it is a very different group than others, but replace 'homeless' in your posts with any other minority group, and hopefully you can start to see what i mean. it feels, to me, like the same rhetoric of "you're not like those OTHER [x], you're one of the nice ones". though i do understand your discomfort due to your experiences and i am not going to tell you to change your behavior around them since it evolved for your own safety, i don't believe homeless people should have to be "welcoming" to receive help, just as other minorities, such as lgbt (that i too am a part of), don't have to be necessarily have to either.
@nic thank you for understanding. regardless of the minority group I do believe everyone should have equal opportunities and while I do care a lot about my own safety (I have autism and suffer from bad anxiety, for reference) the approach I take is treating people the way that I myself would like to be treated, with the exception of learning from mistakes if I have treated someone wrongly.
Nuanced discussion from perspective of homelessness, anecdotal
@nic I agree with this as long as you yourself are housed. When I am on the street I'm staying the fuck away from other homeless 99% of the time and they stay away from me. Capitalism forces homeless infighting to keep us at the bottom, but for housed ppl the OP is very true and homeless ppl do not want to hurt anybody else more than housed people, we just have to in order to survive a lot more than anybody else and that, from a housed centrists perspective, that might make them appear violent. I like this post and wanted to chime in because I used to interact with homeless people before I myself was, and I was very shocked at how differently I was treated by the homeless community once I had joined it
re: Nuanced discussion from perspective of homelessness, anecdotal
@Scout i think this depends on your area, its interesting to see but it feels like theres no in between in how homeless treat each other. in my area, ive had the most genuine help mostly from other homeless, and treated like a person only by them. im not sure where you live, but my first instinct is that if you live in an area where homelessness is more concentrated for lack of a better word that could lead to fighting over resources and thus infighting like you said
@nic @Scout cali perspective: many are fully ensconced in capitalist gang modes of thought, tox masc structures that value ruthlessness and fuck you got mine hoarding. in some this is tenuous and can be broken thru by mutual aid, others will be stuck. loads and loads of cool ppl, but they're quiet, invis. cop worship is a problem, even while rat is a common insult. american christian poor-hatred becomes self-hatred, justification for amorality, assumption of amorality in others.
@thuslyandfurthermore @Scout this, to me, is why i feel reaching out to each other online is a good thing; i wasn't thinking about this but it's actually very true a lot of the cool ppl are invis. i think this contributes to this public image of homeless people being "violent" . the anonymous nature of the internet Actually Helps in this case
True talk, I used to think badly of people on welfare til I was on it myself...
@nic Hmm, yeah, I know I'm guilty of this as I struggle with social interactions to begin with, especially ones involving monetary or other transactions. It needs to be planned out and structured, otherwise I get stressed out and make some sort of mistake that causes me not to have money for other things I need.
So I should definitely make an effort to expect interactions with houseless folks and find something to offer even if it's not a material thing.
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